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Not taking delight in people being mocked is one personality trait that I would never have associated with you… at least speaking from what I have read in your blog. Seems to me that folks who do not agree with you politically do not fall under your umbrella of kindness. Don’t file this under an attack on you…it’s just an observation from your writings.
Arguments are one-thing…even vigorous debate and political fisticuffs, but mocking families, personal appearances, gender, religion, race, slanderous tabloid attacks and laughingly promoting violence are another. That is not free speech; it is simply irresponsible and immature. I do not support it at all.
You have much company in your acceptance of it, though. People that I had considered mainstream and even-tempered have become unhinged by this election. The web and media are awash with nastiness. There are sites I no longer visit, papers I no longer read, and channels I no longer watch. I hate the childish cursing. I don’t care for the name-calling. I am disgusted when innuendo is published as fact to draw political blood. While there are always fringe nut jobs, this type of tabloid trash is in mainstream media outlets, and is sadly being gobbled up by a willing audience.
If your response is just to point out to me how the right does it too, then notice that I have not named names. If you accept it from one side, then you are complicit with it.
it’s just an observation from your writings.
Can you help me understand why you’ve come to this conclusion? I’d really like to see some examples of me mocking people, taking delight in such mocking, or being “unkind” to people I disagree with.
I’m a partisan guy, that’s no secret. I can give a jab to the other guys. And sometimes, when they venture to insult me, I may insult back. But I do pride myself on trying to be thoughtful and civil pretty much all the time. If you believe I’m not I’d like to know why.
As far as the media getting slimy, I don’t really agree with that. But then, the only TV I watch is a clip or two on youtube. I don’t get a paper either, but I do read CNN.com and nytimes.com. I don’t find them to be particularly filled with unfair partisan sniping.
As far as blogs go, I don’t see much difference from how things were a year ago or two years ago. Owen, Fred and a host of other local conservatives are still pumping out a steady stream of one sided stuff (and in Fred’s case it’s virulently unfair and illogical also.) As far as the liberal blogs I know, I only look at Folkbum and Kos. Pretty partisan stuff, but I don’t think it’s really different from what they’ve been doing all along.
I think the NYorker piece is legitimate satire akin to Saturday Night Live.
I for one found the article amusing, especially when paired with Tina Fey and Amy Poehler’s opening skit from SNL. I think that too much of what is said is over-analyzed to death without giving any time for digestion.
It’s funny you should mention Kos. There is a reason it’s “pretty partisan”. They move rapidly, via their “Trusted User rating system”, to get rid of any commentary that might infringe on their Groupthink. Recently I spent less than a week there, and was already in their sights to be banned as a troll. One of my comments, that I believed MoveOn was controlling the agenda of the Democratic party, was hidden within 24 hours. The childish, mean-spirited, non-sensical, personally insulting, hysterical ranting that my comment received in response, however, received many positive ratings. (Interesting note: the worst offender realized they were out of line and apologized to me. Their apology received no positives. Their insults received at least 3, last time I looked).
I realize I am taking a long way around to my point. You see, I believe MoveOn’s money has a huge influence on the Democrats agenda. I do not consider it insulting to say so — I consider it true. Yet my comment was hidden. If you really believe that Senator McCain is President Bush’s clone and an Evil Republican, then you naturally wouldn’t see “McSame”, “Wile E Coyote”, etc. as insulting. But perspective can be everything.
I don’t know anything about the Kos commenting system. I don’t believe I’ve ever read a single comment there, let alone made any of my own. By the time I read their latest post, it’s got 185 comments in it already. That’s not a discussion, it’s a mob. Turns me off, so I never even look.
You might also be surprised to learn what I do with the tide of left-leaning emails I get. They roll in, a dozen a day, from moveon.org, the Obama campaign, Democracy Now, and other groups. What do I do with them? Delete them. Without reading a word.
What does Wile E. Coyote have to do with anything? I make the comparison simply to illustrate my idea that McCain’s poll numbers seem to defy his circumstances, which makes me wonder if he, like Mr. Coyote, isn’t going to find gravity suddenly catching up with him. It certainly has nothing to do with him being “like Bush.”
This election has amazed me for one particular reason: as Democrats finally seem to understand how the game has been played for the last 8 years, and arguably for many years before that, especially getting ramped up in the Clinton/Whitewater witchhunt, and now that they are responding, the right has screamed bloody murder. I would have expected the attack machines on the right to redouble their efforts, not primarily to weep about unfairness.
Anyone who has been watching objectively must know about the character assassinations, lies, and obfuscations made against Gore and Kerry, and those made against Obama this time around. To those who are now asking about civility, I ask you, honestly, where were you when the incivility was helping your team? Seriously, that’s a question you should answer.
The difference in this cycle is that McCain has lost the media by his outrageous lying, his changing positions, and his cutting himself off from them. He expected to get away unaccountably, and that’s not happening. His choice of his running mate was totally cynical, a calculation made solely to win at any cost, not with an eye toward governing, should he win.
You know, I haven’t seen anything the Obama campaign has done that’s unethical. The “100 years in Iraq” thing — yeah, overblown, but McCain did say it. That kind of thing is part of politics, and anyone who’s honest would agree it’s done everywhere. But the stuff coming from the McCain campaign is simply despicable. The garbage about Obama wanting to teach 6 year olds about sex for instance, is an outrage (and MM, I say your link to Byron York, who is utterly wrong) and a total lie.
(What’s interesting, MM, about your blog, is that you post garbage from the vilest corners of the Internet that suit your view about how uncivil the left is. When I see what you’ve posted, I’m horrified. I read a number of blogs on a daily basis, and consider myself pretty well informed, and I have not seen nor heard most of that junk. I wonder where you find it. Meanwhile, you have got to know that it’s easy to find the same kind of garbage and worse on the right. And if you don’t believe me, let me know, and I’ll show you.)
Finally, it’s fascinating to see the right so up in arms about civility when their new party leader McCain is well known for his foul mouth. His attack on fellow John Cornyn last year is well documented, and his dropping the “c” word on his wife in front of three reporters is well known. It always comes down to IOKIYAR – It’s OK if you are a Republican.
Family guy, I thought this comment thread was going to get interesting! Examples?
I just spent a long time responding to Snabby and I think it’s lost, AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! Scott, are we overwhelming your server? It’s been a little slow lately.
It always comes down to IOKIYAR
Wrong Snabby.
If you read a little further back in my blog, you’ll see that I was just as upset and angry about the sexist attacks on Senator Clinton as I am about the sexist attacks on Governor Palin. I simply wasn’t blogging during most of the Democratic primary process, when the majority of sexist attacks on Senator Clinton were taking place.
I personally blasted a conservative who wrote that Sarah Palin was a token choice.
It would seem to me, Snabby, that you are seeking out the corners (of my blog) that suit your view.
As for where I get my info: I like to visit Drudge, News Busters, Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin Sexism Watch, The Family Guy, Scott Feldstein, and a half dozen or so other blogs. They’re all listed on my Blogroll. (I no longer frequent Daily Kos). Some of the blogs I visit are off the beaten path, to be sure, but many of these sites are hardly what I would call obscure.